I've been hitting the same wall time and again with Python packaging for GPU-related projects, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Despite using tools like Docker, Poetry, and various dependency managers, I often find myself resorting to compiling from source due to dependency conflicts, especially with AI and native Python libraries. The core issue seems to stem from the compatibility challenges around native and CUDA packages, which leads to the absence of wheels for many expected combinations.
In my experience, managing dependencies for Python, Torch, CUDA, and Numpy across different operating systems has been a real headache, often resulting in hours of setup only to end up compiling from source. It's frustrating to see that, as much as Python tooling has advanced, the real trouble seems to be in this native and CUDA layer.
I'm really just venting here, but I can't help but think there's still a lot of progress to be made in this space—especially in terms of wheel support and reducing the brittleness of common setups.
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I hear you! It's a huge pain, but I recently found out that Astral is working on a project called PYX, which aims to streamline some of these issues. If you haven't checked it out yet, it might be worth a look: https://astral.sh/pyx.
Interesting concept indeed, let’s hope it comes to fruition!
The problem isn't just about the tooling we have, but more about the wheel format and PyPI itself. There's a lack of support for metadata that would help manage different dependencies for things like CUDA versions as well. The wheel format doesn’t accommodate all the necessary details, which complicates installations, especially with GPU support. Fortunately, there's a project called wheelnext.dev working on addressing these gaps, plus some proposals like PEP 817 are trying to improve the situation.
Awesome info! I’ll look into that. I've been battling with compatibility matrix issues myself.
Yeah, I've been really frustrated with all the different versions and dependencies as well.
You're not alone in this struggle! I totally get the frustration about the expensive churn while debugging transitive dependencies. I treat CUDA as my anchor, letting everything else adapt to it. Making the switch to NVIDIA CUDA Docker images has been a game changer for me too – you start with a known state, and it reduces surprises later on!
Yeah, that’s a lifesaver for sure! I wish I'd known about that earlier.
I've been there too; it really speeds things up once you lock down your environment.
I've had decent luck using pre-baked Docker containers that come with CUDA already installed. I focus on making sure my Python packages match that CUDA version, which simplifies things a lot! Honestly, I think not having a proper wheel for CUDA-native packages is a significant issue, and no amount of tooling will really fix that completely.
That’s solid advice! Pinning the CUDA version first before building anything else sounds like a strategic move.
I'm definitely trying that approach next time!
What you described is something that Conda tries to manage, but I find it falls short at times. It doesn’t seem to handle all dependencies well, particularly for more complex setups like flash attention.
Totally agree! Conda often misses the mark for specialized libraries.
That sounds promising! I'm curious about how it will evolve, especially now that OpenAI acquired Astral. I really hope they keep developing it and maybe open-source the underlying code for running the registry.